der ring
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existem muitas coisas q precisamos fazer durante nossa vida…dar uma volta em nurburgring nordschleife precisa ser inclu?do né?
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que nada, tem que ser de m3 e30
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se estivesse lá e me dessem uma kombi andaria sem problemas
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eu morei na alemanha….......
se vocês acham que brasileiro é apaixonado por carro............? porque não conhecem o alemão......
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eu morei na alemanha….......
se vocês acham que brasileiro é apaixonado por carro............? porque não conhecem o alemão......
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brasileiro não é apaixonado por carro de verdade (exceto a gente aqui do pp
)…afinal, um povo q engole os carros q a gente vê por aqui ao preão absurdo que as fábricas pedem com certeza não gosta de carro
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eu gosto mesmo é de jogar playstation…
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brasileiro não é apaixonado por carro de verdade (exceto a gente aqui do pp
)…afinal, um povo q engole os carros q a gente vê por aqui ao preão absurdo que as fábricas pedem com certeza não gosta de carro
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pensando por esse lado…...vc está certo
o que eu achei mais foda lá é que o cara deixa de ter uma casa para comprar uma bmw....
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o banco de uma bmw deve ser mais confortável que minha cama que tem as ripas quebradas…
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brasileiro não é apaixonado por carro de verdade (exceto a gente aqui do pp
)…afinal, um povo q engole os carros q a gente vê por aqui ao preão absurdo que as fábricas pedem com certeza não gosta de carro
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onde assino?
brasileiro(85% da população) engole essas tranqueiras chamadas de populares só para falarem olha meu carro é 0km
e pior, comprar um palio 1.8r e falar que está em um esportivo puro sangue
pqp que doidera, essa pista tinha que ser uma coisa que todo mundo deveria fazer pelo menos uma vez na vida… coisa de loco
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pra quem quer andar lá…. achei esse guia ....
n?rburgring for dummies:
why this page exists
this page exists for driving enthusiasts everywhere who dream of going to the nérburgring some day. for those of us who live outside of europe and don t speak german, it can be tough to figure out how to make the dream come true. this guide documents my own quest and tries to give the reader a crash-course in how to get there, have fun, and not crash
n?rburgring at a glance
for some reason, track maps never really communicate what s really going on, but it s a start. click on the image for a higher resolution version.
as you can see from the map, the northern loop is actually connected to the gp circuit which replaced the sódschleife (southern loop). the gp circuit was constructed following the fiery crash of nikki lauda in 1976. fittingly, the circuit is one of the safest in the world. and just to the north…the green hell.
you ll find nérburgring sometimes written without the umlaut over the first u (i.e. nurburgring ) or sometimes with the u replaced by ue (i.e. nuerburgring ) as this is a phonetic spelling of the word when the ? can t be written (like in us-ascii, used for urls). most just call it: the ring. the n?r part of the name sounds a bit like saying new-uhr , although most english-speakers say it ner-berg-ring . the locals don t seem to care; they re used to you mangling their language by now.
the ring itself takes its name from one of the nearby towns called of nérburg. it s one of many small towns in and around the ring, the largest of which is adenau just north of the track. as you can see from a satellite map, there are several towns that fit inside the ring s massive expanse. nérburg is located in northeast germany in the eifel mountains between frankfurt and k?ln (cologne) and should not be confused with the famous nérnberg, in the south (bavaria), which was the site for the trials by the same name at the end of world war ii.
how to get there
the easiest way to get to the ring is to fly into either k?ln (cologne) or frankfurt and drive the 2.5 hours or so to the track. the official nérburgring site has directions but you can probably use your favorite map portal as well. that said, we flew into frankfurt on three hours sleep and missed the turn off the autobahn. we made it almost all the way to k?ln before we realized our mistake. there is a nice brown and white sign along the side of the road that you can t miss?this is where you should turn. we didn t. oops.
where to stay
there are quite a few small inns and hotels around the track, several of which are actually inside the ring. there is nothing like waking up to the sound of cars being tested early in the morning while the mist still hangs low. we stayed in the tiergarten hotel which was very reasonable at about ?100 a night for a double, and it s less than a mile from the paddock. the rooms were very clean and the breakfast was tasty. at the base of the hotel there is a race-themed (what else?) restaurant partially owned by the ring master sabine schmitz. a dinner there is a great way to wind down the evening, have a few pints, and talk about your exploits. or, more likely, your near misses.
and remember, driving on the track is more physical than you might imagine; you need fuel just like your car, so take and extra 15 minutes and have a good breakfast.
we arrived at the height of the tourist season, only a few weeks before oktoberfest, and we had no trouble getting a room. however, i would recommend calling ahead, as you might not be so lucky. do it before you leave for your trip; we had planned to call from italy, but we were unavoidably detained for four straight days in a little town called monza. my, how time flies.
how to get a car
this is a conundrum. you ve got three choices here:
bring your own car é this is only really an option for either european delivery of your new car (offered by bmw, porsche, etc.) or by shipping your car by boat. if you ve got the time and the money to do this sort of thing, please take me with you next time you go.
drive a local friend s car é not strictly a bad idea, and a better one if you don t really like your friend at all. if your buddy has a hot ride and doesn t mind you pounding on it for a few days, then more power to you but this is an unlikely option for most people traveling from overseas. also, consider the guilt factor if you suddenly restyle the bodywork.
rent a car é update: the world of rental cars has changed for the ring in the past few years. companies are tracking their cars with gps and hiring people to go to the ring and watch for cars out on the track. a friend of mine was banned for life from hertz worldwide for driving his bmw 1-series diesel on the track. other companies are adding large charges/fines if your car has significant wear of the brakes or tyres. this is the most realistic option for out-of-towners, and offers the most flexibility and freedom to the driver(s).
all that said: you can rent anything from a subcompact up to a ferrari enzo in germany, but insurance coverage varies among the companies. ask to see a rental agreement in english first. pay special attention to the deposit on the collision damage waiver?this can be thousands of euro and may not be refundable upon an accident. just for the record i ve rented several 911s, a 350z, a few mercedes slk 180s, a bmw 1-series diesel, and a bmw 318 race car. of these i can honestly say that the most enjoyable was the slk. the most challenging was the race car; very fast, but it requires total concentration.
what about auto insurance? officially, the ring is a one-way public toll road, so the insurance on your rental car is supposed to cover you. however, i wouldn t recommend letting the rental agency know what you re planning. and again, check that contract to see if the nérburgring is specifically mentioned. as an aside, my us insurance did not offer me any additional coverage, but yours may. make sure you check. crashing porsches can get pricey. ferraris even more so.
people who use their credit cards to cover auto insurance should also be very careful here. most cards specifically exclude sports cars or vehicles over $50,000 in value. i found that my american express platinum didn t cover most of the cars i had in mind. my us auto insurance similarly did not offer any coverage. make sure that you know the facts before you get behind the wheel.
you re also liable for damage to the ring as well, including armco, towing, cleanup, and other amenities. a clever idea is to join the european equivalent of aaa which is called adac which will cover your towing costs instead of paying cash to the ring flatbed.
so, what kind of car should you drive? this decision is should be a balance between caution, testosterone, and knowledge of your own driving ability. in a display of nothing but the second quality, shane and considered the 360 or an f40 (478 bhp, 2400lbs ) but settled on a porsche 996. (for driving impressions, see my postscript for details.)
in retrospect this was a bad decision. i remember some very helpful and experienced ringers telling us that we d be better off in a 325 or similar. we thought that was pretty lame so we went with the 911. but here s the thing that we found: just about any car?even the diesel bmw?can get going fast enough to need to brake heavily into most corners. much of the track is high-speed sweepers and cars with horsepower get moving quite fast. braking zones are longer, the margin for error goes down, and the impact speeds go up. match that to your inexperience and armco (or worse) may be in your future.
the more aggressive the car, the stiffer the suspension. on the bumpy surface of the ring, these cars get nervous. add to this traffic, changing weather conditions, oil spills…i hope you get the picture. seriously, don t be idiots like us. rent a modest car the first time around. i guarantee you ll have a blast.
doing your homework
rule number one: memorize the track. rule number two: memorize the track. i can t stress this enough. nearly every problem you can get yourself into stems from not knowing what is going to happen next before it happens. you may not be able to control the cars around you, or the weather, or even luck, but you can make sure that you know the course like the back of your hand. many, if not most of the turns are blind and feature abrupt camber variation and breathtaking changes in elevation. carrying too much speed into a single corner is all it takes to turn your day into misery. study the track. watch the videos. play the simulators. memorize the track. or end up like the renault on the right.
there are lots of video games now that feature the nérburgring nordschleife. when i first went i had to dig up an ancient pc game called grand prix legends, a great f1 sim from way back in 1998. lucky you, you can now choose from games on the playstation, xbox & xbox 360, and the pc. i ve logged quite a few hours on gran turismo 4 on the playstation, and the accuracy of track is quite impressive. i highly recommend putting in at least 100 laps on a sim. it will help you immensely
what you should bring
it s amazing how much stuff you need on a normal trip, and how little of it you ll need at the ring. if you re just in town for driving, pack light, and leave everything nonessential at the hotel room. we had stuff sliding around the interior of the car on one of our laps; it s very distracting. essentials for the track:
a great pair of sunglasses é they must be polarized, and should not be too dark. make sure they fit and cover your eyes as completely as possible. (in my humble opinion, revos fit the bill perfectly.)
a baseball cap é the sun gets low late in the day, and the sun visor doesn t always do the trick. it s also nice if you want to open the window at 150mph and feel the breeze. and it helps keep the sun off you as you prowl the paddock to drool over the fine machinery that s parked all around. and if you ve recently been to a sporting event, you ve probably got about a dozen cappi to choose from.
a light pair of shoes é preferably driving shoes, although you don t need to be that extreme. but heavy, bulky leather shoes are a no-no. i wore doc martins. dumb. heel-toeing was more like heel-oh-my-god-here-comes-the-armco-ing.
chapstick é sounds silly, but your lips get pretty dry when you re hauling ass. really.
money é each lap is 19 euro, and you can easily do 20 laps in a full day. you can buy tickets inside with a credit card, but there is a dispenser outside that takes cash. there is also a nice little restaurant in the paddock which is a great place to rest between sessions, or when the track is closed for accident cleanup.
a digital camera é take pictures of your exploits, but let the co-pilot do the camera work. shane s powershot s110 took ridiculously good photos, and it fits in your pocket. leave your slr at home?it will only get bashed up anyway.
a video camera é don t bring one. they have been illegal on the ring for years and can get you ejected from the track. plus, driving with the camera over your shoulder can interfere with your concentration. the setup on the right was from our 2001 trip, when it was still legal to do so.
optional é a helmet, a fire extinguisher (strap it down ), driving gloves, a water bottle, a tyre pressure gauge, a pyrometer, a small set of tools, and some gum.
don t bring é a driving suit or fireproof nomex underwear. you poser. also, leave the stopwatch at home. i ll bet you most vehicles that come back on the tow truck have a timer still running.
arriving at the track
the paddock is divided into two areas by the restaurant and bathrooms. the bmw-sponsored ringtaxi office is attached to this building. the paddock is in the middle of the long back straight (dottinger-hohe and antonisbuche) and is called gr?ne h?lle (green hell). this is where you ll be waiting for the track to open, or in our case watching the smoke billow from our brakes after a few moderately quick laps.
your zeroth lapb
if you skipped some of the links above, i urge you to read the warnings page from ben s site now. everything written there is true and very valuable for the first timer. some people will only learn by doing something stupid, but here is your chance to be smarter than that.
so after watching the videos, studying the maps, reading the lists, and playing the simulators, we thought we were ready to face the track. all i can say is that nothing, absolutely nothing will prepare you for your first time around the track.
been on a real gp track before? done a few driving days at laguna, mid-ohio, or daytona? it is nothing like those courses. it is nothing like anything you ve ever driven on. the track is so much bigger, so much steeper, so much faster than you can possibly imagine.
i don t think i can explain this in strong enough terms. you will be blown away. it is really an indescribable feeling as you work your way around for the first time. it looks like the track you ve seen, but somehow it s completely different. and for some reason, video and pictures never communicate the vertical component of the track at all.
the first time through flugplatz your stomach is in your throat as the rear wheels leave the ground. you are pushing desperately in the passenger footwell looking for a brake pedal as you dive into fuchsr?hre and climb up to adenauer-forst. kesselchen will take your breath away, as it is pretty much flat out. as you approach hohe acht?which in all seriousness looks as steep as a wall you re about to hit ?you will think that the track was designed by a madman. dropping into pflanzgarten may well cause you to lose your mind with its long, sweeping, blind curves that whip through the forest. by the time you come sliding out of galgenkopf onto the back straight, you feel like you ve just surfaced from a deep underwater dive.
and you wonder what the hell you were watching in those videos?because is couldn t possibly be the insane roller coaster you just rode on
it s amazing. so why is this your zeroth lapo because if you can do so, get a ride with a seasoned driver before you turn a wheel on the track. rent a ringtaxi from the paddock (about 120 euro), or bum a ride with someone else. many people in the paddock are very friendly and will give you a ride if you asked. for us, i can t stress how helpful it was for us to have a true ring nut, ed healy, take us around in his blue williams clio (like the one on the right). what a ride you learn three things from this experience:
the track is very confusing, and it s easy to forget where you are (and what s coming up next)
it s really easy to let your car get out of control, especially over the bumps and off camber turns
ed in his tiny hot hatch will beat you in your 911 without even trying
which leads us to that magical point when you put the ticket in the machine and pass through the starting gates for the first time…
your first lap
remember the hot hatch that smokes your 911? that s because you are not fast. say it with me you re not fast. you re not going to be fast, and even if you were, you won t be that fast. you could be driving an f1 car (2001 steering wheel at right; toyota didn t let us take the car) but you re still going to get shown up by sub-compacts. we thought we were really moving up kesselchen; we were going about 120 when we got passed by a modified bmw m1 going about 170. guys on 150hp bikes blew us away every lap. hell, the m5 ring taxi passed us on the outside of aremburg.
you are not fast. learn the track, learn your car, and keep it safe. if you manage to do this, you will have more fun than you have ever had in a car, and you ll come back in one piece.
pay attention to your mirrors. people can overtake you very quickly. cars appear out of nowhere. use your corner signals and let people pass on the left only.
there are lots of cars that will be slower than you, too. there will be guys poking along in their s-class merc. there will be vans. there might be a bus. (there was.) wait to get a blinker or hand signal to pass unless you are totally sure that there is room and that they see you coming. remember, pass on the left only.
if you see an accident or any other problem on the track, slow down immediately and turn your hazards on. follow the accident procedures, but above all make sure that you don t cause (or become) another accident.
unless you rented a gt2, your car is a street car, not a race car. you can easily destroy a set of z-rated tyres in a few laps if you are overdoing it. after the second hot lap our 911 s rubber was really falling off. by the end of the session there were thick beads of rubber on the edges of the tread blocks. car manufacturers talk about testing at the nérburgring, but they don t talk about replacing the tyres after each lap. pay attention to your tyres.
the same goes for your brakes. insufficient horsepower is not a problem, it s only annoying. insufficient braking is a problem. it s easy to get too aggressive under braking, and while two laps doesn t sound like much, it s equivalent to about 10 laps of a normal gp course. a 10-minute lap goes by in what seems like two minutes, but to your poor car it feels it like eternity. take breaks often. let you car cool down. if you think something is wrong, check it twice. our 911 s brake dust shield started rubbing against the back of the rotor, warped from the extreme heat. we had to pull the wheel and beat the shield back with the jack crank. amateur day at the ring, eh?
take care of your equipment. don t race. concentrate on your line. relax, stay focused, and have fun.
and for the love of god, don t time yourself. if you really must know, i d recommend some kind of gps data acquisition that you can run continuously during the day and then download it to your laptop to figure out your times. but the psychology of the timer is: i blew that corner, so i have to make it up in the next one. hello, armco
your last lap
there are two ways to do your last lap:
as the day draws to a close, you concentrate on the few sections of the track you keep missing. you hit one corner perfectly. you finish your lap with a smile on your face and head back to tiergarten for a beer and a nice plate of pasta. return your rental, get on the plane, have a cocktail and pass out.
you get it in your head that lap times are important. you become frustrated as subcompacts are kicking your ass. you re convinced that you can drive like sideways stephan from ruf. you re trying to beat a 9 minute btg time you loose your concentration and drive your shiny porsche into the armco. you lose $3000. and you have to pay for the armco, too. you have to get a lift back to the airport. you break your digital camera in the crash. you have to deal with the german police. you go to bed asking yourself why you thought going too fast was so important.
i recommend option number one. seriously, there will always be someone faster than you. the best time to drive flat out is in a car you know very well after you ve done a few hundred laps on the course. there are plenty of people who get away with driving like an idiot, but there are plenty who don t. play it safe; the money you save by not crashing will pay for you to come back in six months and do it all over again.
notes and thanks
first of all, none of this would have been possible without richard fabian who first showed me the ruf ctr video some ten years ago. i have been enamored with the nérburgring ever since. i only hope that one day he gets to take is mint 79 930 and put it through the paces of the green hell. you owe it to yourself, richard.
the trip that brought me to the ring was in no small part organized and made possible by shane garvey, my partner in crime. we both managed to keep the shiny side up and the rubber on the tarmac for two days straight, which i consider a great accomplishment. our time in europe was full of perks and unexpected events. and considering the fact that we were with the jaguar team until the wee hours of the morning before arriving at the track (the party was in milan, mind you) i think we were very fortunate. however, for the record, next time i get to be the one who is still drunk at 6:00am while you carry me through the lobby of the hotel to the taxi.
to gwenael, rich, ed, and all the other ringers who helped us prepare and made our time at the track so enjoyable, thanks for your kindness. and ed, remember to clean those brake rotors off?the vibration is really kind of scary for a first-timer.
to ben lovejoy, who has one of the most useful web sites i ve seen on the net. he was also kind enough to discuss options with me over e-mail in preparation for our time at the ring. the wealth of information on his site can really make the difference between a great trip and a disaster. your tireless work is appreciated; keep it up.
to mclaren international, for their selfless donation of several nylon tie wraps that made our a/v efforts possible. and to damien, our driver, who helped us out with mclaren logistics. may you never have to drive ron dennis in the fog ever again. remember, it s your license.
to our rental car company, who gave us a shitty 911?and had the class not to complain when we brought it back in even worse condition. perhaps there is justice in the world.
to my girlfriend, who let me go despite the knowledge that i am an idiot who cannot be trusted.
and finally, to germany, for being a fantastic country and home to the greatest race track in the world. may the ring live forever.
see you there next time
muito interessante…..
abraços
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com direito a bandeirinha do brasil no para-brisas…
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9dbck3iw4
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o que mata dos carros de uso di?rio é as voltas de batente a batente, me pareceu bem calmo e quieto enquanto pilotava
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com direito a bandeirinha do brasil no para-brisas…
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=tj9dbck3iw4
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uma tocada bem tranquila hein?
juro que se ganhar na mega-sena freto um airbus a340 da lufthansa e é pp no der ring.
eu apanho pacas no gt4 pra essa pista.